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Q1: Why is this article titled Chelsea Manning?
A majority of sources now use the name "Chelsea" when referring to Manning which would make it the common name. There has been consensus among editors since October 2013 that this name should be used.
Historically, the first 2013 formal move discussion closed, and a committee of three uninvolved and experienced admins determined the move to Chelsea Manning should be reverted back to Bradley. Discussions since that close upheld that waiting 30 days was a good idea and the time should be spent making the case for a new move discussion. In a subsequent move discussion, consensus was against a proposal of "Private Manning" as the article title. A new discussion about moving the article back to "Chelsea Manning" started on September 30 and was closed on October 8 with a consensus to move the article to "Chelsea Manning".
Q2: Why does the article refer to Manning as she?
MOS:IDENTITY says: "Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns (for example 'man/woman', 'waiter/waitress', 'chairman/chairwoman') that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. [...] Direct quotations may need to be handled as exceptions (in some cases adjusting the portion used may reduce apparent contradictions, and ' [sic]' may be used where necessary)."
The fact that Manning is transgender, and was a transgender inmate, a transgender soldier, etc, is notable and defining and has been discussed in multiple reliable sources (which are cited in the article). See Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization for more information.
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Q5: Why does Wikipedia include Chelsea Manning's deadname?
Wikipedia's guidelines say that we should include the birth name for a living transgender person in the lead sentence only if the person was notable under that name. This is the case for Chelsea Manning. By doing this, we ensure people who have only heard of Manning as her deadname can still find and recognize the article.
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
Move logs: Bradley Manning
Chelsea Manning
Breanna Manning
Arrest of Bradley Manning
Discussions:
RM, Arrest of Bradley Manning → Bradley Manning, Moved, 3 September 2010, discussion
RM, Bradley Manning → Alleged leaks of Bradley Manning, No consensus to move, 8 Dec 2010, discussion
Move/revert, Bradley Manning → Breanna Manning, Move was reverted, 5 May 2012, discussion
RM, Chelsea Manning → Bradley Manning, initial move of the article to "Chelsea Manning" is reverted, returning the article to the original title, "Bradley Manning", 31 August 2013, discussion
RM, Bradley Manning → Private Manning, Not moved, 4 September 2013, discussion
RM, Bradley Manning → Chelsea Manning, Moved, 1 October 2013, discussion
RM, Chelsea Manning → Manning (U.S. Army), Not moved, 14 March 2014, discussion
The contents of the Chelsea Manning gender identity media coverage page were merged into Chelsea Manning on 18 September 2013. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
Amnesty боролась за освобождение Мэннинг с 2013 года, когда ее приговорили к 35 годам лишения свободы — сроку, намного большему, чем для военнослужащих, осужденных за убийство, изнасилование и военные преступления — за утечку секретных правительственных материалов. Amnesty считает, что приговор был чрезмерным и должен был быть заменен на отбытый срок (более трех лет на момент вынесения приговора), не в последнюю очередь потому, что Мэннинг предъявили завышенные обвинения с использованием устаревшего законодательства, направленного на борьбу с изменой, и лишили возможности использовать защиту общественных интересов на ее суде.
Кроме того, осведомительница содержалась в течение 11 месяцев в условиях предварительного заключения, которые Специальный докладчик ООН по вопросу о пытках Хуан Мендес счел жестоким, бесчеловечным и унижающим достоинство обращением. Она была помещена в одиночную камеру в качестве наказания за попытку самоубийства в прошлом году и была лишена надлежащего лечения, связанного с ее гендерной идентичностью, во время ее заключения. В подкасте для Amnesty в 2016 году (www.amnesty.org.uk/chelsea) Мэннинг рассказала о драконовском характере ее предварительного заключения на базе морской пехоты Куантико в Вирджинии: TimurMamleev ( talk ) 22:21, 25 ноября 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
@TimurMamleev, я не уверен в твоих намерениях. Как ты думаешь, нужно что-то добавить в статью? -- Мэдди из Селесты ( WAVEDASH ) 22:26, 25 ноября 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Думаю, следует добавить в статью, что Amnesty International считала Мэннинг политзаключенной и требовала его освобождения, а также регулярно публиковала статьи о ней. Однако Amnesty International утверждала, что не каждому политзаключенному предоставляется особый статус «узника совести», который призван привлечь максимальное внимание к конкретному политзаключенному. TimurMamleev ( talk ) 00:41, 26 ноября 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Термин «политический заключенный» не используется ни в одном из перечисленных выше источников, которые я смог найти. -- Нат Гертлер ( обсуждение ) 02:05, 26 ноября 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Запрос на полузащищенное редактирование от 13 декабря 2023 г.
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Уберите фразу «и, возможно, учиться на доктора философии по физике», так как она является чисто спекулятивной. У Мэннинг не было высшего образования на момент зачисления, и ее GI Bill закончились бы деньги до достижения уровня доктора, поэтому утверждение, что она получала бы докторскую степень по своему GI Bill, неверно. Гораздо точнее было бы сказать, что она записалась на службу, чтобы иметь право на льготы GI Bill. 2600:6C46:6B00:297:1C39:E471:36B6:43B2 (обсуждение) 03:22, 13 декабря 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Пока не сделано: заявление, похоже, имеет под собой надежную основу — см. ссылку 72 — есть ли основания полагать, что автор ссылки был дезинформирован? Tollens ( обсуждение ) 07:58, 13 декабря 2023 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Кто такой Кейси Мэннинг?
Кто такой Кейси Мэннинг?
Имеется два упоминания об этом человеке, но нет никаких ссылок или объяснений о том, кто этот человек или как он/она/оно связаны с Челси/Брэдли Мэннингом.
В основной статье говорится только: «У Мэннинга есть старшая сестра». Поэтому я предполагаю, что Кейси — старшая сестра Челси, но это должно быть указано явно, иначе дальнейшие ссылки на это наименование не имеют под собой никакой фактической основы.
Вонуан ( обсуждение ) 14:45, 18 февраля 2024 г. (UTC) [ ответить ]
Исправлено. Я добавил имя в утверждение, что у нее есть старшая сестра. Однако нам, возможно, придется рассмотреть, как она упоминается далее в тексте, поскольку по крайней мере один источник называет ее Кейси Мэннинг Мейджорс, и в этом случае ее следует называть один раз этим именем, а затем Мейджорс во время дачи показаний. -- Нат Гертлер ( обс .) 14:51, 18 февраля 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Спасибо за ответ и редактирование.
Что касается именования, я считаю, что следует использовать имя человека НА МОМЕНТ обсуждаемого события.
ЕСЛИ событие произошло при рождении, то следует использовать имя, данное при рождении.
В случае суда над «Брэдли Мэннингом» и предшествующих событий неправильно искажать историю, говоря о «Челси Мэннинг». Если это становится требованием «политической корректности», то мы на очень скользком пути. Vonuan ( talk ) 11:50, 9 апреля 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Это уже было требованием; см. MOS:DEADNAME и дополнительное эссе Wikipedia:Gender identity § Retroactivity . В письменном английском не принято относиться к именам людей, мест или вещей как к временно фиксированным, как вы предлагаете (на самом деле, это было бы крайне запутанно). Правильно называть живых субъектов биографии — это акт элементарной порядочности и уважения.
Если у вас есть дополнительные комментарии или опасения по поводу того, как Википедия пишет о трансгендерных людях, пожалуйста, отправьте их на более общий форум. Такое изменение затронет гораздо больше страниц, чем эта (и обсуждалось до смерти сотни раз, и никогда не произойдет). – RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:53, 9 апреля 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
почему ее имя мертво буквально в первом предложении?
сделай лучше Beep320 (обсуждение) 18:56, 2 августа 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Согласно политике, поскольку она также была известна под своим предыдущим именем, оно идет в первом разделе (см. MOS:DEADNAME . Фактически, ее ситуация даже используется в качестве примера). -- MattMauler ( обсуждение ) 19:00, 2 августа 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
съеживаться и трансфобный Beep320 (обсуждение) 19:01, 2 августа 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
@Beep320 Как это может быть трансфобным? Это законное руководство, вы даже не удосужились прочитать MOS:DEADNAME, прежде чем безосновательно называть кого-то отвратительным и трансфобным? Titan(moon)003 ( обсуждение ) 02:55, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Мои удаления
Я сделал довольно много удалений, поэтому открываю обсуждение. Меня беспокоит, что раздел военной службы сильно отклонился от темы. Большая часть контента должна быть в другом разделе. Jozsefs ( обсуждение ) 10:37, 7 декабря 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]